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Civil Unrest in Ukraine

Thousands of protestors have occupied Ukraine’s Maidan square in Kiev since November when President Viktor Yankovych refused to sign a trade agreement with the European Union. This hour on Focus, we’ll talk about the unrest in the country.

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Protestors with demands of European values in Ukraine. November 26, 2013.

Protestors with demands of European values in Ukraine. November 26, 2013. Wikimedia Commons

Anti-government protests in Ukraine have continued to escalate since November with tens of thousands of protestors gathering in Kiev’s Maidan Square throughout the winter. Crowds are now calling for President Viktor Yanukovich’s resignation.

This hour on Focus, host Jim Meadows talks with Associate Professor of Political Science Carol Leff about the protests and about what’s ahead for the country. Iryna Sukhnatska, a law student at the University of Illinois who immigrated to the states from Ukraine in 1999, also joins the show. Some of her family has been protesting, and she says it is hard to watch the violence play out from afar.

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    inmate in square since November protesting the progression
    president vickiana Kovich Meadows and Damned focus with talking about
    about the political unrest in Ukraine University of Illinois political science professor
    professor Carol s via los student and Ukraine native Irena Sendler

    focus continues after the news
    welcome to

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    how to focus on Jim Meadows some fast facts about Ukraine it’s the
    largest nation in terms of land mass that is located holy in Europe
    European portion of Russia is larger it has four times the land area of Illinois
    nearly 4 times the population crane is a bread basket a major exporter of grey
    brain and other crops and Ukraine is name checked in the classic beetle song back in the US
    the USSR of course Ukraine hasn’t been part of the USSR for more than
    for more than 20 years is part of the collapse of the old Soviet Union Ukraine to claritin

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    independence in 1991 ratified by a referendum
    what Russia’s current leaders want to keep Ukraine in their sphere of influence
    how many Ukrainians hope to reach out to Western Europe lead to the current moment
    in maiden Square in the Ukrainian Capitol Kia where tens of thousands
    Ukrainians have been demonstrating since November against the president of victory
    Viktor Yanukovych for resisting closer times to the European Union
    abut I’ve left a lot of details that I hope we can fill in during this hour of focus

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    provide the details about your friend I want to welcome to members of the University of Illinois
    Illinois community to the program today Carol left is an associate professor political
    little science at the U of I and Irina to not Scott is a n*****
    native of Ukrainian currently a unified law student and Carol and Irina welcome to phone
    the focus good morning to you before we get into the questions and answers I want to invite you to ass
    who to ask your questions about Ukraine as well you can call us at 1
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    talk at illinois.edu phone number again 1 800 222
    222 wyll besides phone or email you can reach us on Twitter
    Twitter on Facebook at focus 580 Carroll
    Carol I was wondering cuz we’re looking now at the start of tug of war
    war between of the European Union and Russia with Ukraine in the middle
    the middle and I’m what is this tug of war originate
    will sexually very old because of the on position

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    dimensions of Ukraine in between Russia and the rest of Europe
    Europe and also a is in True Lies if there are liens
    Harley with chicken regional differences within Ukraine on with the West in central have
    call having more at the Q train and Ukrainian speakers and and east and south
    South having even the significant ovulation method Russians and others reset phone
    how to speak Russian Andertons to be someone different orientation between the two
    regions on that reflect shelf in not just now but in

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    in politics Ukraine from the very beginning you want to look at a map from electrical
    Neil electro geography which is a website that you can see
    election of the red states blue states that the western central
    central tendency vote more for Kansas to rent a tour the west and the east
    east and south Civil War for candidates for the train to Georgia Russia
    Irina maybe you can talk about this you’re from the westerns
    section of of Ukraine you and your family medicine and the Dozen

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    doesn’t work like that it is as far as it is far is how you feeling most people you know
    w no one that part of the country um hot how do you feel about things politically
    absolutely the wise is blessing Ukraine is definitely on focus towards the west
    watch stores in Europe and the east is always been traditionally
    and even though you’re getting Livermore divided is still looking to the east
    now how to display out in the Orange Revolution of 2004
    4 a.m. What was almost a classification of course it’s important because the

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    the protests end of the presidential election 2004
    or or kind of a precursor you can see on a very simple mobile
    and in that year the up and coming
    President was retiring after his two terms and union Clovis
    the current president of as a successor on the coast
    which was strong in Houston south infected campaign in Russian
    what is the time and Houston co the eventual victory after the protest

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    how to space and his policies
    alexis y faciles training an American on and cheese
    you break the idea that join the EU and so forth electoral map shows
    shows that each other stronghold well that election was stolen
    and that triggered the protest so there’s a very focus event justice arias
    where is the time only was about electro fairness which in some respects abroad
    broader issue on but it is so the Orange Revolution

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    oceans that occurred after the first result came back in and out
    electro forensics could show you on this is element in an inch
    in the election of Trance that were over a hundred percent in
    and in late returns from the Russian River regions wind in inches
    in shape but larger Illinois area have seen this in Chicagoland Paula 64
    um but you at the point at which it appears that Young
    Jana Cova going to be declared the winner of the protest broke out so on

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    you have the same kind of divisions you do now over the only over
    A specifically electoral fraud issue now in Seoul
    so interesting because of the Arts Revolution and I want to ask why aren’t what’s the significance
    significance of iron on Lido European politics has with a circle
    color coded so parties tend to have a new back to the 19 century
    century where greens were patrons for farmer parties and blacks for conserving
    the parties for the black color of the clergy on b***

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    is a without is as much as symbolic significance parties tend to adopt
    adopt a color that is so they can be recognized in demonstrations info for
    the fourth and the Houston co campaign in his party adopted the color or
    orange the wind when the fraudulent elections for challenged
    the color of the Revolution became orange for the candidate that they say that the protest
    protesters felt on have been on defrauded his victory
    well you should children did take office that’s right what if you years later in 2010

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    when is the end of Covert was elected president in India
    collision also been Prime Minister in the intervening time for a while
    which is why I say you can oversimplify this because there were supporters again college
    the part of it was a part of his something is the tree was that the dissolution
    Asian after the Orange Revolution its not cleaned up the way it should have been
    is it that is Athens look to you Irina do the umm did the reformer
    farmers not do as effective jobs they promised absolutely I am the Chive

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    betrayed a lot of people’s opinion creams that they tried to send
    did not without the corruption in time and a captain in the office and eventually just tobacco
    tobacco ver so we bring up to this moment
    moments and I understand it was in November where not president day Jana Cova
    which of America clear that he was not going to sign an association
    the green with the European Union witches what’s the word been leading up to to do
    to do but instead because the closer economic ties with Russia and

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    and you know it you know if I say something like that in America
    maybe NAFTA would be that controversial but the most people don’t think about
    about trade agreements with that much with without the fire and spark
    but here the really was a lot of fire in Sparks Nevada when are you gonna call me that decision
    decision and that’s when demonstration started I take it
    Reno tree decal free cream Stephen enter the EU it cost
    35 years to get a visa to go to be there in about 300

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    are students were hoping for the temperature need to be able to travel abroad to be able to study
    study and um really just grow so it is because
    because they were the one for really hope future honest Invisalign
    alot of a lot of people in Ukraine you’re talking about young people look to you
    Europe to Western Europe as a place as as as a place to party
    future absolutely they look to the way things wrong the standards
    regulations on the same thing as the one in the body Gentry university without having to pay

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    bribe they won the standards so closer times with Russia
    Russia instead what would that signify for them images signify going back to
    things were going back to the Soviet era and essentially corruption
    Robson and just being stuck in one place the way they have been for the Sears center demonstrate
    demonstration to taking out in maiden Square in Anaheim Osama Carolina take your telling me that
    that the word maiden means Square so what if I say maidens where I’m saying
    Square square well McDonough tree the

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    bridges of the friend actually means on a playground field
    feels like I have a soccer field is my dog is so um
    is dysentery mean to square b*** frozen pendants
    McDonalds licenses Independence Square so it has been so the significances
    is a set of a national site that that that belongs to the country
    tree recycling something like say the National Mall in Washington DC for for for
    for for for my country oblivious now I understand you’re here

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    you’re here with your family in the United States you’ve been here since 1999 since
    1999 and but you still have extended family back in Ukraine
    anime send some of them are taking part in the protests yes I both friends and family
    family & R taken for the protest both in 2004 and now they’re doing
    doing it either going to Kiev Ralston v. Which is the theme from in western Ukraine
    as you know it the pros of having all over the country so
    speeding in a tough what’s a size 10 tens of thousands

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    2070 Ave in another cinema in a smaller City likely be what’s what size do
    do the protists get to are they get into um 10000
    people from all around region coming there black eating bear factory
    f****** military side so that you wouldn’t be able to access actual city
    and the reason is different because the west of motor does support the people
    the government of the people our mayor actually said that they would not allowed
    batkid which is the Ob River of the protest police to Angeles City

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    and military is actually working with people this is 40
    is focusing were talking about the current prices in Ukraine with Irina Slutskaya she’s Navy
    native of Ukraine at a law student at the University of Illinois and Carol
    Cara left political science professor at the U of I if you have questions about Ukraine
    Ukraine call us the phone number is 1 800 222 94551
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    Facebook and Twitter at focus 580 have you talk to people
    how to people back home about what its about what it’s like being part of these protests
    what was the experiences like I’m sorry I was just sung on the phone with a friend of mine who lives in K
    Incubus morning and Jason its not going from the munchies cream
    currently working with the front of his who is the rest of the students use walking
    walking down the street and Tori and there’s a profiling
    young people so dangerous to even be on the streets really cute dresses for 2 weeks

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    week so there’s no one’s there is no evidence supporting that he was part of the revolution
    protest the best way to start Swift and screaming presents to find charges he was in
    demonstrate he wasn Kia dealers in KS J & I
    understand their head there had been loss um cinemas president again
    against all odds by the by the by the government anyway against the protests
    fast switch and then been rescinded a prime minister resigned
    SSN for to to other comp things down

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    Carol do you see the Saints have any effect with a haven’t fr
    is it clear what are the things that was too in the Orange Revolution
    Aleutian is going to be part of the story to in in some way is one of the reasons
    reasons the situation was resolved is that the the Constitutional Court of Ukraine
    pain pills a legal action to rerun the election
    election at this time the president is is is roping for
    an exit strategy that would also be

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    constitutional even as what’s happening on the street is it particularly legal
    Anna’s Linens stores of anger
    what what what he did first which was extremely stupid in
    January was to ramsrule a bunch of a package of anti protest
    the protest law on things that we would consider it would be you
    that made sex valia find extremism
    healthy things that I would a curvy action

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    action of independence of a society groups in so forth and then
    mental health and and and and he has a back down and and Parliament
    reverse itself sew on a button but at the same time he offered
    he offered the Prime Minister ship to some of the opposition leader
    leaders who turned it down because what they’re asking for now is new election
    elections so that that the public gets a chance choose the leaders
    self as president doesn’t just passed the time to someone

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    search sounds like originally this was about the European Union associate
    Losi 8ight agreement and now its become something larger its it’s about the government power
    yes in and go back to their just one thing that I
    that I think we should discuss at least later on is the interesting things on Kobe
    actually was initially Association green with you and miss going head and look like
    looks like he was going to find me what is a customs union with Russia
    rush is an alternative really wasn’t on the table into Russia started meaning

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    Ukraine and what makes it possible to the economic crisis affair
    something we can think about is you some control in with with with Russia
    Russia and also controller who’s in charge what parts do you want to get to in the moment
    what’s the word head and take a phone call we have online 1 Paul from Champaign County good
    good morning urine focus yeah I wanted to be is nuance
    is it like to be in a short phone call I could but uh I support both sides
    Augusta and I’m a tree good that the fact that there are two sides in Ukraine

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    train from the very beginning I support in opening anime porn
    political opening but the problem is it doesn’t get the talk about much is the use
    austerity program with Sean many Ukrainians
    install a religion is the Orthodox religion in Greece RRR
    are suffering from was part of what the what was included so uh
    the US is all very much in French
    favorable political of freedom but I ain of the the

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    the other parts of the UN Charter for instance uh uh
    economic a justices if its not on there gender
    and when you have example of the Snowman woman assistant secretary state
    state I guess so I’m not sure exactly a position as I do have in front of me but um
    this week phone call where she is moving the players
    players in the Ukrainian opposition around like on a chessboard and things that guys out
    Guys and then then blanking Uatu in Ohio

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    it’s so uh ha of the US is wasted on guitar
    f*** off f*** revelations of spying on phone calls but um
    so I just think it’s even calling also has a blister in the Sun
    10 things to talk about much in Ukrainian opposition and I don’t want to
    paint the mall in a broad stroke but it doesn’t Clute some very very I
    reactionary anti Semitic up for you to come in on
    I just I just think there’s a misapprehension distortion of the Cold War

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    are there earlier crisis that happened vis-a-vis the US in
    Russia that I think it is kind of Illuminati ignorance of the Sun
    the circumstances the previous crisis with Georgia where territory
    Torries that were given to Georgia by Stalin were seen it
    Interqual to know Georgia and people like uh uh
    McCain word up their pasta ring with self it in Ukraine
    Ukraine about how was the name of the integrity of view of Georgia have to be respected in

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    looking looking at the historical background of the circumstance
    I hope I got some of our time I’m not fur
    draconian crackdown on occupying a square justice
    what I was into for the draconian response that the US did to us
    to the Occupy movement Princeton so um a lot of
    what there and I just I just like the people out of a look into the Sun with a lot more
    I’ll talk to you then well put a hind it all in

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    nope nope reefer units for sure but I just think that the economic dimension
    is not treated affected the EU of Urbino 600 million
    million dollars in a package and that the the pipeline for gas
    for calf that goes through the Ukraine which I guess you cremeens Porter anywhere
    anyway II better a better I’m out I’m not keep going cuz I probably could but I think
    thanks so much I hope you can’t read some of those a little piece of the theif
    the issue thank you ok ball thank you very much in the womb let’s see how

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    see how we can a cracked is open one of the things I heard Paul talking about was
    looking at the austerity programs at the European Union has been on
    has has been working with some with with with some of the nations in the relief
    financial trouble from the front for from from the recent recession
    I don’t know if an association agreement brings you closer to that those
    does notifications yes the way it does
    CNN in a fairly direct way um yeah I try to Parsi economic services

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    myself about about what the pros and cons of the two economic remix R
    and if its rather difficult
    how to eat a sin Yahoo valuable thing I can say is that
    the logic of opening Ukraine to the to the Western market
    market and Western travel does come with it up a number stipulations
    do you have to have to integrate with r are economic legal structure
    face soap on the ice rink I remember to figure Street in 80 loss

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    what expect the Ukrainian Parliament pass OK O’Loughlin
    which wouldn’t mind the more closely with the EU what Shortland effect
    effects might be on there that would be disrupted
    Volvo all those the comparison figures are
    does he just the facts about her deal than the Russian
    Russian custom Union offer which does not mean that that that there would be some
    stress fair and it doesn’t mean that everyone would benefit

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    because one of the effects of of new liberal policies and I eat
    he was not News liberal highly regulated 42 on is
    is that inequality can and you can
    increase even if the economy is growing its not straight forward but whatever
    about the opening on n on
    Ukrainian friends in academia before the Schengen
    before the Poland join the EU who’s back and forth really a cross that border

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    Border Collies in Indian in Warsaw to Krakow and now they can
    can I mix with reverse fat unfortunate facts
    thats that blocks that border between Poland
    which is the golden in the Ukraine EU border the used to be
    how to be much more open border the time will certainly when was the Soviet republics video
    satellites Kevin after that before Poland became part of the
    Schengen visa free travel sandwiches uniquely you

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    you but I take it being part of the troubles on looks
    can be pretty attractive ohyes for doing business for videos
    for tourism for education in for jobs
    apps that border is significant in breaking it would be very useful
    what are the things that that that
    Paul brought up in a camel’s Justice Cushing some of the laws that would be
    that would be asked for under the Association Agreement are those things that are

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    things that are the bait in Ukraine as as as as as controversy goes forth
    admission yes there was Anderson divisions are some 2000 West and East
    uniform of the West was for the USO station
    I know that you switch for Russians Asian Amazon there’s a lot of debate how are now
    everything turned on November 30th when the students that were protesting
    not signing the US huge numbers in Winder brulee clear
    cleared out from the square Desmond really does the petrol point of everything turning off

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    can you speak with a lot of people protesting for the square right now they will tell you this is not about
    what about the you anymore how to write this is about the corruption this is about what happened
    happened since you came out here to children came out here in the things that you can see in
    teen public opinion polling is in the lead up to the moment the dream in the Odyssey
    Association bring it already been initial initial in spring median in 2000
    2012 what the public was really split 46
    roughly write 33 so Reilly favor the reason

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    maturity I’m looking for figures in December
    um support for the customs union Russia I’m going down for the b****
    but wasn’t so much about about the pros and cons of the
    the agreement that just about the the protest the reactions
    feeling that that u Paramus being pushed around unfortunately historically
    being in between major economic and political forces in Ukraine space
    fade so perhaps a lease in the short term not a good the crackdown was not a good political move

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    remove for president which of 49 and thats it thats whats partner has no
    listen to short break down we have a callable get back to when we were
    when we return when we talk more about the situation in Ukraine with you if I lost it
    student in Ukraine native not Scott and Kara left a little science professor
    Sesser here at the University of Illinois focus on wyll

    welcome back to focus

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    Jim meadows in discussing the situation in Ukraine demonstrated supposed to Russia
    Russia’s continuing influence in the country are protesting in the capital city Kiev against
    Indian president 5000 Fitch my guests are Irina tanaka
    native of Ukraine and a law student at the University of Illinois and your life lyrics
    political science professor Carol F I wanted to make note of events coming up this
    this Friday afternoon and that is a panel discussing what’s going on
    Ukraine are run by the Russian East European and Eurasian Center at the U

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    at the U of I its called um understanding the Ukrainian my dad
    Rite Aid on my tongue we all want to say made in here but it’s my time
    understanding the Ukrainian my dad between Russia and the EU Carol
    Carol left you’ll be a panel is there as well as Costas of a quarter cup
    doctors select your in political science and onyx and Rottweiler Electra in Slovak
    Slavic languages and literature that will be taking place at the library information
    science building at 501 East Daniel Street in Champaign room

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    126 that’s this Friday from 1 to 3 p.m.
    we have a car that’s been waiting patiently David from Urbana Online 2
    good morning urine focus yes pursuant to the comet
    just before the break up think people died under wear
    generally of the closer relationship of the Ukraine in Poland
    Poland through the Middle Ages and down into the
    I fink 18th century they were at times unified

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    at times 10 the Ukraine would be the capital of Nevada
    another time the capital would be in Poland and is very very
    are important relationship that only ended when the
    neighboring powers divided up Central Europe
    if you could go further than that because after world war 2
    421 of the things Stalin did which politically turned out to be very stupid in 1991
    a1 is move the Soviet borders West

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    into Poland and then move Poland West Germany
    gobbling up the Baltic States been independent between the two wars and take
    can taking parts of a point point Ukraine on a mix Porter air
    terraria where is actually sandwich in never been part of the Russian Empire but have been
    been part of Poland when pulling with divided in part of your world Poland
    that that boundary in how many names are there for you City Maryland
    different languages 35 right on that reflects that history of of the way

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    the way the Poland and Ukraine Borderlands route 22
    very good point of reference point not disturb you rush a bike
    your back home battle region between
    Russia and what we call the West as a matter of fact
    fact I was talking with some When I was talking with the former internal parts Royal Star
    who has who has a visited this is Ukraine on a Fulbright scholarship
    shipping and Men band has been the following situations and I was asking him about

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    about I guess there is a movement for Ukraine infect your city
    Lviv to a host of Winter Olympics 2022
    who and Tyrell was wondering if ur have semi be a project that was done for have some cooperation
    with Pullman CC the things that was something that was not without an outside around
    possibility that would be the first time we just posted along with hole in the Euro Cup
    which is on your soccer tournament and a specially the dream
    region is always been car burning with Paul and I have my city we still don’t know

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    originator weather today so
    when we see a situation where the Ukraine
    crane is looking for closer ties with the EU and closer ties with Poland which is part of the EU
    BECU but Poland being a former Soviet satellite and you
    Ukraine being a former Soviet republic what is that look like to the leaders of the Russian Federation
    Russian Federation well for women intimidating considering download
    mean moving away or less control over the region if you think

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    think all the way back to 1991 Soviet Union collapsed the timetable there was a coupe
    analogous the trigger event that pulled apart the Soviet Union
    literally December was the Ukrainian vote for independence referendum
    random on and when that referendum pass Handley
    the of the Russian president Nelson decided without
    without Ukraine what’s the point of the Soviet Union Dr EGOT
    got together with the the dream presidency Belarusian president Nathalie just

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    just just said there’s no constitutional not pass for this is over
    Cain and what comes next bus come some kind of relationship
    so that is for Russians that is very important area in speedos
    Kevin Roose which is geographically you
    Ukraine was the big is regarded by many Russians as the founding members
    the finding state of Andrews were talking about talking about
    bottle and a people and government existed 1000 years ago bright

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    right hand but that was the area where was Christianity was was the
    what you was in Brea spy in the eastern region eastern regions
    regions in the Russian and that’s you got that whole reason
    Muscovy Moscow what’s the latest a little later States
    Ashley ethnically Ukraine Russian at that point is probably wrong with Russians
    oceans 11 presidents refrain what is this is interesting I want to Saint David for calling
    calling in bring this up as we were talking about time between Poland and also to

    00:33:10

    also ties between Russia and Ukraine looking at a & a of atom
    ata country were were many people speak Ukraine and many many people speak Russian
    Russian and I assume many people speak both Plus there are
    according to Wikipedia about 18 recognized regional languages
    I was wondering the languages what are the languages you speak back home will Ukraine is the predominant
    Domino one but growing up in you pronounce in Russian polishes all because of Niger
    position polish was something I heard of it so you can you can you can become

    00:33:45

    trilingual and but but but thats thats also a marker
    Parker in some ways of who you are in Ukraine and somebody in the eastern part of Ukraine
    Ukraine would be speaking a different language is perhaps absolutely
    um you know there been since revenant somebody Ukrainian Hogan st. Cream with me
    and um I’ve known people from the last so sometimes
    interesting what happens in Kiev the capital where to meet
    and it just sounds of this that describe a lot of difficulty in 7&a

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    dan and setting up the countries feature direction when you have these two cultural streams
    dreams coming in the haven’t quite blended its not a melting pot quite is it
    and then some people might want to see The Melting Pot that’s not what it is yet
    what is the issues were the issues is linguistic
    what should rushing be a second official language of not bats
    yeah that set up a subjective controversy country in the head
    the husband have been controversial laws also ones that are allowing russian tortoise

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    Corbin schools are only talk to Russian regions or sis having a crayon
    languages instructions which soda has been one of laws that country song however
    the situation progress is the best time to realize that language is something that can be
    disabled prior to archers of corruption I’ve been wondering
    wondering when Paul called he brought up I think the ideas of the US off of the US is
    Asus role in the solar fair and the beat tapes which were us
    someone someone baracy with the US diplomatic official speaking despair

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    disparagingly in Sumiton not so many words off of the European Union
    what does what’s in it for the US what happened to you
    to Ukraine what does it mean to Americans what happens in Ukraine
    I think that they are you I think that
    AAU you please we were talking about how much coverage didn’t didn’t
    didn’t get on use the issue the trigger issues that was won
    what was in it for the EU what is in it for an infant western you

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    Europe would you always of concern to us we don’t want that area
    destabilise up but you but I say
    but I think that I would be interesting the AC issue in other wise
    what are the reasons during the Orange Revolution
    that that on the guns of the West in Volusia Poland
    as a member of the EU was so adamant they were just a just entered the EU
    an element of their neighbor in Ukraine you don’t want to get

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    the intention of the West so this is important to Poland
    meaning of me talk about the relationship but I’m saying I’m saying
    is weed interesting I think that you I think that we are concerned about
    about the stability of any of that region up b***
    the EU and Europeans more concerned because
    the the the boundaries between you and me
    its neighboring states which nation has played in with a call neighborhood policy

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    I’ll see something that you never had policy on your husband
    nonyx takes as well as stability stinks and SR is United States a country
    proponent of democracy this should be relevant because this is the situation
    NFL we are the emergency say then this is
    this is absolutely Road important is well I want to mention that I we still have time
    time for your foot your calls Hiiraan focus to talk about the situation in UK
    Ukraine with the guy with the Mirena should not Scott she’s a law student

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    student hear the oven and a native of Ukraine and with your vital signs
    science professor Carol left for phone numbers are 1 800 to 2294
    9455 1 800 222 WILL
    you can email acid will dash talk at Illinois a.edu
    edu II take it in that for for Russian for the Russian Federation flag
    putting the states are higher its if they lose economic influence
    once over Ukraine it’s more than just a matter of losing face it’s something that really

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    the counts for Russia for a
    Russia has control over the neighboring regions through the means of
    of trade a lot of the former States rely on it for China
    the only explanation for the states live in Ukraine would be losing one of those
    States to control to be able to trade in Cheaper ground there’s a lot of business
    business in Ukraine special Eastern the Russian businessman are involved in
    umm go mining those kind of things so it would be more than just down

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    status of state is the moon to the earth
    police going into this crisis green treated equally with
    with the EU and Russia probably going to mention
    the big the big card that buy cell phones with the energy card
    because you do not have the oil and natural gas supplies
    that the sum of the day do they do Relion Russian
    Russian embassy supplies and in the past several occasions rush is turned off

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    tap that send that actually gas from a taxi a private company but
    Russian government has a lot of sway with gas from oil pipelines
    indeed in fact they what Russian has done incorporation
    build up under sea part pipeline
    Justin natural gas and and bypass Ukraine on Twitch
    which which is often running now I think has been for the last 2 years
    and there’s also in a package at the Ukraine Got from from Russia

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    breeding looking at a decent time magazine report which summer summarizes
    is it just really Schedule E but that when I yawn when President unico b****
    decided not to go with the European Union for closer time
    showtimes with Russia what he got was a 15 billion dollar loan from Russia
    Russia enuff to help Ukraine avoid bankruptcy because the government finances
    this is not the best right now but as the demonstrations have continued
    um ma Scout frozen emergency loan on January

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    January 30th and the Vista
    in this this apparently on has has has led to some of the crackdown the temple
    what happens when you and that a package to 15 billion and some
    energy subsidies I was up
    upfront a lot more than you could directly off ur b*** is Ian order of magnitude
    YouTube on your what whatever the long term effects were on
    Ukraine is an economic the fiscal crisis in Europe for the last year

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    and you know I’m on the verge of not being able to pay its debt forum
    foreign currency reserves down its deep trouble witches White Russian
    could you could make a deal reviews Anders wife
    is why I’m at I do say there was disputed by the youth of the nation within the People
    people because it wasn’t cool it wasn’t clear weather this is about a package
    another package be a better option however it is the long term effects of people are concerned about the poor
    about the political facts not just dumb Montebello this happening right now but

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    mean later on for Ukraine Irie ty dolla $ign Irie now to be alone
    the little brother once again lets let’s go ahead and take another call 911
    Lawrence in Savoy good morning urine Focus good morning on just one of the small
    small educational input here what u.s. State
    is the approximate size in land mass to Ukraine
    and I was wondering about that I was able to figure out its worth about what three Illinois
    what would but California peak via proxy

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    I’m here in cricket
    does anybody use Lowrance did you know the answer
    why called ok I’m afraid I have to
    I have to look it up well all odds
    do what I can as as quickly as a Youngsta and sounds like it probably has
    probably have to be with Satan Illinois I know I was comparing it
    tearing it with California Ukraine has more people in California that is for sure

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    think California has about 38 million people and um
    Ukraine is more like what 4698 um
    let’s see if I can find the landmass here we are 233
    3000 square miles is the is the a
    is is the landmass for Ukraine and by the miracle of the Internet
    let’s see what I can find out about California um
    sorry for the iOS Sorry Sorry for the POS

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    POS is here um here we are
    about 163000 square miles so big in California
    I don’t know if there’s big is Alaska but it certainly of a sizable search
    certainly a sizable country as I said at the beginning of the program the largest
    country in Europe that is entirely in Europe engine turns on land mass
    so that’s really a major part of the European continent in and you know what is the things about
    about that land masses that mean miss cover man has

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    has paid heavy price because you cream at the beginning was considered a new state
    do you say that 925 well control and energy sources
    unfortunately cold which is nausea normal useful b***
    but it was a very developed part of the former Soviet Union and add
    end of the axon Russia a large a lot of of
    what they call Olive Garden what is deceased iTunes close ties to government
    no are part of the corruption stories that that that is mentioned here today

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    very important so if it has it has the breadbasket of
    the former Soviet Union has had a lot of resources and human capital
    DeLand and you’re so it’s no wonder that people are so um
    disappointed with the quality of government has that that is the question
    we have a country which is rich in a lot of ways but its government is is really on
    on the brink of financially how to get that way
    is the most management as mentioned

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    management of the current government pass government Arby’s
    what is the one of the major figures of the orange revolution on the side of
    democracy was Yulia Tymoshenko know the moment Cheese in jail for
    4 acts at that she committed as prime minister
    ironically in making sure that it is the government of government
    did you go to deal with 21 to make is she was known as
    known as the natural gas princess mean she was herself one of these

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    these always arcs that had your fingers in the pines in fact
    does that’s the irony of the Orange Revolution it isn’t that see when the opposition
    physician one that was a bunch of new politicians with no ties to the state Houston co weather
    does the new president have been Prime Minister before the Machine Co you have been inactive
    political figure I forgot my Toshiba she had before she became prime minister
    so there’s a political week that really is on New Years
    ian is really tight into this economic story about about

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    is the capital is wild west after the collapse of communism
    the diffrentce the two revolutions of George Wilson’s are political animals
    petition does the leaders of the revolutions here
    how to play on equal footing with a citizen to 11 students
    um I just interested and which political party sex
    actually the position of the three parties and it’s more about the money
    the modern state for a long time no just for who gets to be the next pope

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    party in power for the next term well question is how you can
    you can make that so to change happen especially now where things are in a crisis
    I get the impression that the Olympics put some things in hold
    old because Russias nothing to do anything dramatic when everybody’s
    buddy’s looking at them but maybe in a few weeks of vitamin foods
    food my to side to do something concerning Ukraine what are people in Ukraine
    talking about that they fear might happen assurance local content of violence

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    crackdown um day today they’re not sure what’s coming tomorrow and
    and um weather the states going to buy cough or sneeze more power
    what options did what options does the does the protesters have to think
    do you think they don’t have money it’s difficult to even
    consider what would happen if they blocked off right now because
    the fear of 2004 love again going back into the same as a man weather to be a chance
    17 million Ne near future to bring this up again at the president has reached

    00:48:20

    right now I want to love we we we had another calling from
    David called earlier and he was wondering if um um
    terms of the gas issue with certain things to talk about the cranes Energies
    Security if a normal icing relations with Iran would help with that
    is there is is Ukraine talking with around what’s the relation to the country have right now
    what what is the things about energy transport is you can’t just put it on
    putting on a plane or on a train and moving coli is there a pipeline

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    flight path around and Ukraine Wilder Priceline positrons Russia
    thats that does seem to have a little difficulty in this despite
    pipeline what was the Russians call Transit dependents for transit independence
    Ender’s is your part of the post Cold War struggle can we have
    we have pipelines in and transports natural gas after all this point liquefied
    which is a technology that’s growing tensions between the ship that have to go through pipeline
    you have to know that you can get something that doesn’t pass through

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    Russian Russians work hard to make sure that it maintains the Hobbit and energy
    NJ Transit what was the final minutes of the broadcast in one of them
    bring that over to you Rihanna what are you hoping one of your hopes for your
    for your country as to what will happen next in Tennessee to pass through the eye
    do the outcome that you that you’re hoping for wellbutrin vs stability and
    send a real change change the role of the year did for the US
    here’s to come in the passage the school to be a teen center definition of international terminal

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    are some kind of support from the international community hope you’re getting rudy Gay
    getting was awesome is this becomes amor el Avion and
    publicized bud and end of the day the true hope is a real change
    change the government within the corruption that has really a tail
    tailed beasts of the generation that are coming up right now Israel
    is replacing president Jana Cova the only option the protesters will accept
    Addison yes that’s the best and Ally episodes so earlier

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    earlier call we have an email came in that said there’d benefits Jess Indiana
    replaced everybody is government except himself wouldn’t do
    do I use already have the discovery site
    Passage to call early elections weather he resigns in which case is the
    Prime Minister be acting president imagen en tren cabin in any way
    early elections what would be the constitutional path of a president
    president resign and his is Shirley that’s in the Constitution you can do that

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    the weather that will happen with Russia breathing down Ukraine’s naked all the way
    all the rushes to nothing really like her
    well I want to think I guess we giving us a window in the Ukraine and the political struggle underway there
    are there thanks to you both of your five little science professor Carol F and Ukraine
    Ukraine native and law student Irina’s 2009 thank you
    thank you thanks everyone who called her email to their questions are apologies to anyone who did
    who didn’t make it to the air f*** is produced by Lindsey moon Jason Croft are technical director Ryan

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    Ryan Webber are intern thanks also to Ultrastar a former intern from your spouse
    back for his background information on Ukraine this is focused on WILL